, president obama has had an important and deep focus on africa, the young african leaders initiative that he started as something that he cares a great deal about, so i think it will be an important moment when he does go over there for the funeral. >> you and i were in capetown, south africa, together a couple years ago during the world cup, when "time" magazine and "fortune" magazine, cnn, we hosted an international conference and president bill clinton was the featured speaker. bill clinton's relationship with nelson mandela was really, really powerful, wasn't it? >> it was very powerful, wolf. i know they both cherished it, president mandela cherished it and i know president clinton did. in some ways maybe it's presumptuous to say it was a little bit of a father/son relationship. clinton looked up to mandela. mandela was an adviser to him and almost a very personal intimate way, and they shared a real bond, and i loved those beautiful photographs of when clinton went with mandela to robben island and you see them both looking out of mandela's old cell, very powerful. >> i intervi